RE: Top Gear comes 'to rest' indefinitely
Discussion
je777 said:
Once you could watch people actually reviewing cars on youtube, I can't see why any car fan persisted with Top Gear.
Better productionBetter presenters
Better access to cars
Better locations
These are all luxuries that a big budget production like Top Gear has that (with the greatest of respect to him) 'JayEmm on Cars' doesn't.......
Is the future of Top Gear an hour long show on 'prime time' TV?
Most likely not.
But as a show, a concept of presenters reviewing cars and doing car-related activities, we've not seen the last of it.
je777 said:
We mock other countries for having state media news. And if you ask any foreigner who has come to this country, you'll find that they have the same opinion of BBC News.
Not to distract from the topic of the article, but so what if they do? The BBC is not an arm of the government. If it were, members of the government wouldn't constantly be complaining about its coverage. Boo-urns said:
je777 said:
Who pays the licence fee?
And subsidise the Government News? (We mock other countries for having state media news. And if you ask any foreigner who has come to this country, you'll find that they have the same opinion of BBC News.)
No they wouldn’t.And subsidise the Government News? (We mock other countries for having state media news. And if you ask any foreigner who has come to this country, you'll find that they have the same opinion of BBC News.)
What an astonishingly off-topic post
I have over a dozen foreign friends who are based in the UK. They all mock BBC News. (They also all massively criticise the NHS - because, as with the BBC, it's not a sacred cow for them, so they see it for what it is: underfunded and dreadful.)
People assume that the BBC is 'lefty' because its comedy shows are stuffed with liberals (note: liberals are not left-wing, they're just socially liberal, which right-wing people think is the same thing). But nobody votes based on what comedy shows say. But British people do trust the BBC News (51% do - higher than any other news media). And the BBC *News* is staunchly centre-right: they'll have a massive go at Brexit and Corbyn, but are woefully uncritical of the likes of Blair, Cameron, May, Sunak, etc.
How's that for off-topic.
Edited by je777 on Tuesday 21st November 16:37
MajorMantra said:
je777 said:
We mock other countries for having state media news. And if you ask any foreigner who has come to this country, you'll find that they have the same opinion of BBC News.
Not to distract from the topic of the article, but so what if they do? The BBC is not an arm of the government. If it were, members of the government wouldn't constantly be complaining about its coverage. 
je777 said:
Boo-urns said:
je777 said:
Who pays the licence fee?
And subsidise the Government News? (We mock other countries for having state media news. And if you ask any foreigner who has come to this country, you'll find that they have the same opinion of BBC News.)
No they wouldn’t.And subsidise the Government News? (We mock other countries for having state media news. And if you ask any foreigner who has come to this country, you'll find that they have the same opinion of BBC News.)
What an astonishingly off-topic post
Edited by je777 on Tuesday 21st November 16:37
MajorMantra said:
je777 said:
We mock other countries for having state media news. And if you ask any foreigner who has come to this country, you'll find that they have the same opinion of BBC News.
Not to distract from the topic of the article, but so what if they do? The BBC is not an arm of the government. If it were, members of the government wouldn't constantly be complaining about its coverage. Maybe do some research into Laura Kuenssberg and her right-wing bias, or how Mi5 ensured that socialists were kept out of the BBC back in the day (and why would that not still be happening), or simply be aware that Nick Robinson was Chairman of the National Young Conservatives, having previously been President of the Oxford University Conservative Association (having been a founder-member of Macclesfield Young Conservatives (YC) and rose through the ranks, becoming Cheshire YC Chairman).
I could go on (and on).
MajorMantra said:
je777 said:
We mock other countries for having state media news. And if you ask any foreigner who has come to this country, you'll find that they have the same opinion of BBC News.
Not to distract from the topic of the article, but so what if they do? The BBC is not an arm of the government. If it were, members of the government wouldn't constantly be complaining about its coverage. And it works. As you prove.
NicoG said:
VeeReihenmotor6 said:
A shame but perhaps Top Gear could come back as proper automotive review show like the original idea.
I agree - and Harris would be the ideal chap to front a re-birthed show with a proper focus on the cars and not f
king about. I personally thought he was (is) very impressive, and an absolute natural on camera...
In the YouGov "Most Popular Contemporary Tv Programmes" list, Fifth Gear is at #368, between "This Country" and "All Star Mr & Mrs". "Wheeler Dealers" is at #331, "James May The Reassembler" at #290, "The Grand Tour" at #158, "Clarkson's Farm" at #86, "Top Gear" at #22. I'm not really seeing it as a format for a BBC broadcast channel.
je777 said:
Well, people were whining about the licence fee.
I have over a dozen foreign friends who are based in the UK. They all mock BBC News. (They also all massively criticise the NHS - because, as with the BBC, it's not a sacred cow for them, so they see it for what it is: underfunded and dreadful.)
People assume that the BBC is 'lefty' because its comedy shows are stuffed with liberals (note: liberals are not left-wing, they're just socially liberal, which right-wing people think is the same thing). But nobody votes based on what comedy shows say. But British people do trust the BBC News (51% do - higher than any other news media). And the BBC *News* is staunchly centre-right: they'll have a massive go at Brexit and Corbyn, but are woefully uncritical of the likes of Blair, Cameron, May, Sunak, etc.
How's that for off-topic.
Still off-topic, but I’ll bite anyway.I have over a dozen foreign friends who are based in the UK. They all mock BBC News. (They also all massively criticise the NHS - because, as with the BBC, it's not a sacred cow for them, so they see it for what it is: underfunded and dreadful.)
People assume that the BBC is 'lefty' because its comedy shows are stuffed with liberals (note: liberals are not left-wing, they're just socially liberal, which right-wing people think is the same thing). But nobody votes based on what comedy shows say. But British people do trust the BBC News (51% do - higher than any other news media). And the BBC *News* is staunchly centre-right: they'll have a massive go at Brexit and Corbyn, but are woefully uncritical of the likes of Blair, Cameron, May, Sunak, etc.
How's that for off-topic.
Edited by je777 on Tuesday 21st November 16:37
The BBC is supposedly impartial. Granted, that isn’t always 100% assured, but it’s most definitely one of the most reliable sources of mainstream news in the UK. Compare it to any of the daily national newspapers, for example, and it comes off smelling of roses.
To suggest that its state news is moronic and veering into tin foil hat territory. It frequently reports news that exposes government corruption/incompetence etc. Here are three examples live on BBC news right now.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-67479548
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-67451423
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-674...
Shame what happened to Andrew.
Unfortunately it was inevitable anyway, the show had lost appeal for a while. Even though I like AF and PM, collectively it didn't work as they were a bit thick and didn't have an underlying passion for cars.
I hope its resurrected in the future but the landscape is different now.
Unfortunately it was inevitable anyway, the show had lost appeal for a while. Even though I like AF and PM, collectively it didn't work as they were a bit thick and didn't have an underlying passion for cars.
I hope its resurrected in the future but the landscape is different now.
je777 said:
Well, people were whining about the licence fee.
I have over a dozen foreign friends who are based in the UK. They all mock BBC News. (They also all massively criticise the NHS - because, as with the BBC, it's not a sacred cow for them, so they see it for what it is: underfunded and dreadful.)
I'll bite. The NHS isn't unfunded, it's just (like many public services), poorly uses much of the funding it gets. Up to 7 layers of management in Finance departments is utter bonkers but very common. They should be sorting that out first, but they can't because the media would love to lay into a government for 'cutting NHS heads when they're already understaffed', despite the vacancies and the admin areas being totally unlinked. I'm a liberal, not a lefty nor a conservative, but you can't just keep throwing endless pots of cash at something that is failing.I have over a dozen foreign friends who are based in the UK. They all mock BBC News. (They also all massively criticise the NHS - because, as with the BBC, it's not a sacred cow for them, so they see it for what it is: underfunded and dreadful.)
Edited by je777 on Tuesday 21st November 16:37
CarlosSainz100 said:
Why is there a big mystery still over the actual 'incident'?
When Hammond crashed we got to find out exactly what happened, but with this everyone seems to have taken up the code of omerta.
I think it’s probably down to him. His recuperation has been harder in a lot of ways than Hammond’s. And Hammond was happy to talk about it. I think Freddie needed more space and the BBC and PM/CH respected that.When Hammond crashed we got to find out exactly what happened, but with this everyone seems to have taken up the code of omerta.
Boo-urns said:
je777 said:
Well, people were whining about the licence fee.
I have over a dozen foreign friends who are based in the UK. They all mock BBC News. (They also all massively criticise the NHS - because, as with the BBC, it's not a sacred cow for them, so they see it for what it is: underfunded and dreadful.)
People assume that the BBC is 'lefty' because its comedy shows are stuffed with liberals (note: liberals are not left-wing, they're just socially liberal, which right-wing people think is the same thing). But nobody votes based on what comedy shows say. But British people do trust the BBC News (51% do - higher than any other news media). And the BBC *News* is staunchly centre-right: they'll have a massive go at Brexit and Corbyn, but are woefully uncritical of the likes of Blair, Cameron, May, Sunak, etc.
How's that for off-topic.
Still off-topic, but I’ll bite anyway.I have over a dozen foreign friends who are based in the UK. They all mock BBC News. (They also all massively criticise the NHS - because, as with the BBC, it's not a sacred cow for them, so they see it for what it is: underfunded and dreadful.)
People assume that the BBC is 'lefty' because its comedy shows are stuffed with liberals (note: liberals are not left-wing, they're just socially liberal, which right-wing people think is the same thing). But nobody votes based on what comedy shows say. But British people do trust the BBC News (51% do - higher than any other news media). And the BBC *News* is staunchly centre-right: they'll have a massive go at Brexit and Corbyn, but are woefully uncritical of the likes of Blair, Cameron, May, Sunak, etc.
How's that for off-topic.
Edited by je777 on Tuesday 21st November 16:37
The BBC is supposedly impartial. Granted, that isn’t always 100% assured, but it’s most definitely one of the most reliable sources of mainstream news in the UK. Compare it to any of the daily national newspapers, for example, and it comes off smelling of roses.
To suggest that its state news is moronic and veering into tin foil hat territory. It frequently reports news that exposes government corruption/incompetence etc. Here are three examples live on BBC news right now.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-67479548
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-67451423
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-674...
I could provide multiple examples of impartiality, but you could also look that up for yourself. But here are two - and these are academic research, not journalist garbage.
One piece of academic research showing anti-left wing BBC bias:
https://www.lancaster.ac.uk/fass/journals/cadaad/w...
Another piece of academic research showing anti-left wing BBC bias:
https://www.gold.ac.uk/news/media-reform-coalition...
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