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Countdown said:
SweptVolume said:
I understand why people want to see a ceasefire, really I do, but what will be the inevitable result of one? At some point, Hamas, or one of the other extremist Palestinian groups, will break the ceasefire, either with a barrage of relatively ineffectual rockets, or with another highly effective incursion into Israel for some more raping and pillaging.
Then, presumably, Israel retaliate by bombing the Gaza strip and the cycle continues.
Both sides need to change up their governments for ones more conciliatory to the position of the other side and maybe a peace deal can be rekindled. Until then, they'll just keep going at each other and lots more people suffer. A ceasefire tomorrow won't change that.
What more would you expect the Palestinian Authority to do? They’ve done pretty much everything that Israel has told them to do and got nowhere. All that’s happened is that Settlements have increased and Palestinians have been killed. At the moment that seems to be the only option for Palestinians- do nothing and be killed or fight back like Hamas and be killed.Then, presumably, Israel retaliate by bombing the Gaza strip and the cycle continues.
Both sides need to change up their governments for ones more conciliatory to the position of the other side and maybe a peace deal can be rekindled. Until then, they'll just keep going at each other and lots more people suffer. A ceasefire tomorrow won't change that.
Edited by SweptVolume on Tuesday 21st November 21:58
Maybe if the international community held Israel to account for once that might make some progress? Everybody agrees that settlements are illegal and everyone can see that they prevent the Palestinians from having their own country. But no Western country seems to want to point out the obvious.
Edited by Countdown on Tuesday 21st November 22:30
Countdown said:
Maybe if the international community held Israel to account for once that might make some progress? Everybody agrees that settlements are illegal and everyone can see that they prevent the Palestinians from having their own country. But no Western country seems to want to point out the obvious.
Maybe if the Arab world stopped using Palestine as a stick to hit Israel with then they could actually come to a solution.iphonedyou said:
911hope said:
Worse case scenario is that the Israeli's intend to exterminate or expell all Palestinians from Gaza.
Do the war enthusiasts on here, endorse that course of action?
You mean 'worst case', don't you?Do the war enthusiasts on here, endorse that course of action?
So would you endorse or condemn such an action?
don'tbesilly said:
911hope said:
Worse case scenario is that the Israeli's intend to exterminate or expell all Palestinians from Gaza.
Do the war enthusiasts on here, endorse that course of action?
The problem you have is that scenario isn’t one the Israeli’s would endorse, so asking “the war enthusiasts” on here whether it’s a course of action they would endorse is a futile exercise, and I’m surprised anyone would come up with such a scenario in the first place and go on to ask such a question.Do the war enthusiasts on here, endorse that course of action?
It is easy to say no, if you are a decent person.
Does avoiding saying no tell us what you really think?
Gecko1978 said:
Countdown said:
SweptVolume said:
I understand why people want to see a ceasefire, really I do, but what will be the inevitable result of one? At some point, Hamas, or one of the other extremist Palestinian groups, will break the ceasefire, either with a barrage of relatively ineffectual rockets, or with another highly effective incursion into Israel for some more raping and pillaging.
Then, presumably, Israel retaliate by bombing the Gaza strip and the cycle continues.
Both sides need to change up their governments for ones more conciliatory to the position of the other side and maybe a peace deal can be rekindled. Until then, they'll just keep going at each other and lots more people suffer. A ceasefire tomorrow won't change that.
What more would you expect the Palestinian Authority to do? They’ve done pretty much everything that Israel has told them to do and got nowhere. All that’s happened is that Settlements have increased and Palestinians have been killed. At the moment that seems to be the only option for Palestinians- do nothing and be killed or fight back like Hamas and be killed.Then, presumably, Israel retaliate by bombing the Gaza strip and the cycle continues.
Both sides need to change up their governments for ones more conciliatory to the position of the other side and maybe a peace deal can be rekindled. Until then, they'll just keep going at each other and lots more people suffer. A ceasefire tomorrow won't change that.
Edited by SweptVolume on Tuesday 21st November 21:58
Maybe if the international community held Israel to account for once that might make some progress? Everybody agrees that settlements are illegal and everyone can see that they prevent the Palestinians from having their own country. But no Western country seems to want to point out the obvious.
Edited by Countdown on Tuesday 21st November 22:30
So we go on. Israel builds illegally, and the Arabs won't accept any plan that allows Israel to exist.
W12GT said:
RATATTAK said:
turbobloke said:
iphonedyou said:
911hope said:
Worse case scenario is that the Israeli's intend to exterminate or expell all Palestinians from Gaza.
Do the war enthusiasts on here, endorse that course of action?
You mean 'worst case', don't you?Do the war enthusiasts on here, endorse that course of action?
to the war enthusiasts on here (who?) presumably anyone who disagrees with 911hope.markiii said:
911hope said:
Worse case scenario is that the Israeli's intend to exterminate or expell all Palestinians from Gaza.
Do the war enthusiasts on here, endorse that course of action?
You mean your made up worst case scenario again? FantasistDo the war enthusiasts on here, endorse that course of action?
For the appalling scenario outlined, how should we interpret your avoidance of answering if you would endorse such an action?
Personally, I would consider such an action to be worthy of condemnation. Strange that so many on here won't express a similar view.
The detente that seemed to be emerging between Saudi and Israel before Hamas helped absolutely nothing and nobody on the 7th Oct is, perhaps, one hope.
If, say, a coalition of Arab states took over Gaza and got rid of the terrorist parasites for good, Israel could get completely out of Gaza and have nothing more to do with it. I’m pretty sure that’s what they’d like.
And then perhaps Gaza could become something more than an international aid centre.
If, say, a coalition of Arab states took over Gaza and got rid of the terrorist parasites for good, Israel could get completely out of Gaza and have nothing more to do with it. I’m pretty sure that’s what they’d like.
And then perhaps Gaza could become something more than an international aid centre.
swisstoni said:
If, say, a coalition of Arab states took over Gaza and got rid of the terrorist parasites for good, Israel could get completely out of Gaza and have nothing more to do with it. I’m pretty sure that’s what they’d like.
It would require a lot more than that - at the very least Israel would have to stop and preferably reverse their settlements in the West Bank.911hope said:
don'tbesilly said:
911hope said:
Worse case scenario is that the Israeli's intend to exterminate or expell all Palestinians from Gaza.
Do the war enthusiasts on here, endorse that course of action?
The problem you have is that scenario isn’t one the Israeli’s would endorse, so asking “the war enthusiasts” on here whether it’s a course of action they would endorse is a futile exercise, and I’m surprised anyone would come up with such a scenario in the first place and go on to ask such a question.Do the war enthusiasts on here, endorse that course of action?
It is easy to say no, if you are a decent person.
Does avoiding saying no tell us what you really think?
No one is suggesting (least of all the Israelis as far as I can see, bar the usual nut jobs) a wholesale expulsion of Gaza. Let alone ‘extermination’. The reason no one is biting is because it appears utterly counterintuitive. And yes it would not be a good outcome.
Wibbling on about the fact no one is responding to a bizarre point does not prove that the hypothetical is somehow agreed with from those in this side of the aisle. It’s more of a ‘er…. Don’t know how to respond to bats
t crazy claims’ awkward silence. Like your mad uncle farting continuously at a family get together: let’s ignore it and hope the bad smell goes away…Gecko1978 said:
julian987R said:
news being reported that photos of Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar are circulating of him naked on all fours on a leash being forced to smell a black leather glove.
What??? And black leather glove what's that abouthttps://youtu.be/rOSAumt6YF4?si=g46kf11SlDpNSIxb
Penny Whistle said:
swisstoni said:
If, say, a coalition of Arab states took over Gaza and got rid of the terrorist parasites for good, Israel could get completely out of Gaza and have nothing more to do with it. I’m pretty sure that’s what they’d like.
It would require a lot more than that - at the very least Israel would have to stop and preferably reverse their settlements in the West Bank.NYT reporting that Qatar has helped negotiate a 4 day ceasefire, with 50 Israeli hostages released and 150 Palestinian detainees also returned.
Seems Hamas value Palestinian lives at a 3:1 ranking...
As an aside, they've also said every ten hostages above this gains an extra day of ceasefire.
Seems Hamas value Palestinian lives at a 3:1 ranking...
As an aside, they've also said every ten hostages above this gains an extra day of ceasefire.
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