Higher insurance correlated with higher BHP, is it a myth?

Higher insurance correlated with higher BHP, is it a myth?

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DarkVeil

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23 posts

12 months

Yesterday (10:43)
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There's a common perception that higher power output and bigger engines leads to higher insurance premiums, but in all my experience of playing with comparison sites, I have never really found it to be the case.

What seems to matter with regards to cars is how likely a certain model is to be written off, which generally means youthful hatchbacks. More powerful cars are clearly not a high risk category, probably because most owners are either enthusiasts or older so generally more careful drivers.

How did this misconception start, and why is it so prevalent?

SturdyHSV

10,008 posts

162 months

Yesterday (10:50)
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DarkVeil said:
There's a common perception that higher power output and bigger engines leads to higher insurance premiums, but in all my experience of playing with comparison sites, I have never really found it to be the case.

What seems to matter with regards to cars is how likely a certain model is to be written off, which generally means youthful hatchbacks. More powerful cars are clearly not a high risk category, probably because most owners are either enthusiasts or older so generally more careful drivers.

How did this misconception start, and why is it so prevalent?
In the absence of being able to analyse such significant amounts of data, insurance estimates were based on more 'common sense' factors alongside what could be derived from historical information.

The amount of data recorded and in a state that's able to be incorporated in to the premium calculations now means that 'common sense' is utterly irrelevant, and it is far more accurately tied to the statistical reality of historic claims etc. Except for gender of course as the statistical reality that men are likely to cost the insurer more than women was deemed sexist.

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Some good examples of reality not matching 'common sense':

Parking on driveway less risky than parking in a garage, because people tend to hit their garage and have to claim.
Third party often more expensive than fully comp, because people who go third party only are more likely to claim (under the assumption it's cheaper).
Paying monthly more expensive than up front, but not just from a finance perspective, but because of the claim profile of those who pay monthly.
Arranging your insurance weeks in advance is cheaper because the profile of those who do is less risky.

Anecdotal, but I think once you get beyond a few modifications, it actually makes no difference or potentially becomes a bit cheaper if you have a full on shopping list of changes, again because those that provide so much detail tend to fit a different risk profile.

Edited by SturdyHSV on Tuesday 21st November 10:55

MadriMan

37 posts

56 months

Yesterday (11:06)
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My experience is the same, only a weak correlation. Seems to be much more linked to probability of write off/stolen

Had a W204 C63 city centre Manchester postcode, paid around £1k per year for the two years I had it. Was looking briefly at W212 E63's (5.5 biturbo) which are around 100bhp more and prices were cheaper by about £200. Guess its the fact that alot less wannabe 'certi drivers' drive a E63 than the W204 C63 which has a certain reputation

Looked at 3.0d X5's randomly and cheapest quote was £2500 for something which has 250bhp.... says it all!

Mr Tidy

20,854 posts

122 months

Yesterday (23:34)
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I think it used to be a major factor years ago, but isn't so much now.

It seems to be more about how prone certain newer models are to getting stolen, and while higher powered models still feature like Audi RS, BMW M and Mecredes AMG feature quite highly so do Range Rovers.

And EVs seem to have got expensive to insure too.

But older cars seem to be completely different. In 2019 I had a BMW 3.0Si Z4 Coupe with a couple of modifications and replaced it with a Z4M Coupe with a few more modifications and another 80BHP, but my next renewal was cheaper than what I had to pay for the 3 litre. biggrin

otolith

54,678 posts

199 months

Yesterday (23:47)
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You have to keep in mind the interaction between factors. The older and more experienced you get, the less difference what you drive makes, particularly if you’re not a high theft risk.

otolith

54,678 posts

199 months

Yesterday (23:54)
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(And I have a theory that what’s actually happening is that higher risk cars tend to be bought by higher risk drivers, rather than that the cars are inherently risky - I suspect that a hypothetical 20 year old who had a Golf R because for some reason it was the only car available and didn’t give a toss what he drove would be less risky than one who was living on beans on toast just to have one. Modern bread and butter cars have the performance of 80’s hot hatches without the insurance loading)

Griffith4ever

3,552 posts

30 months

I pay the same to insure a 580BHP car vs a 150bhp diesel. I've never seen a power to price correlation as a middle aged driver.