RE: 'AU 1' made famous by Goldfinger goes on sale
Discussion
Julian Scott said:
One quick look at the attendees of any socialist/left-wing/Labour Party event will show that 'cross' is the default position. The only happiness in their lives appears to be the free lunches.
Aha! How I've missed your posts!Most people at the events you refer to aren't cross, it's more about optimism: wanting to make a difference to the benefit of the country, rather than the narrow-minded, incompetent, self-serving corruption forced upon us during 13 years of Tory misrule, supported by the sorts of people that regard the government's performance as acceptable and appropriate. Voting Tory is for those who have an essential part of their soul missing.
Hairymonster said:
Julian Scott said:
One quick look at the attendees of any socialist/left-wing/Labour Party event will show that 'cross' is the default position. The only happiness in their lives appears to be the free lunches.
Aha! How I've missed your posts!Most people at the events you refer to aren't cross, it's more about optimism: wanting to make a difference to the benefit of the country, rather than the narrow-minded, incompetent, self-serving corruption forced upon us during 13 years of Tory misrule, supported by the sorts of people that regard the government's performance as acceptable and appropriate. Voting Tory is for those who have an essential part of their soul missing.
At least the Torys had a slogan of levelling up. Even if they didn't mean it. Whereas every Labour policy seems to be about levelling down.
Let's face it we're all f
ked. Until we get someone else to truly vote for. In the meantime if £300k is down the sofa type money then why not spank it on a fancy plate. History says it won't lose money.
tr3a said:
Here's an idea.
In a country where 1in 5 people are at or below the poverty line, how about taxing ego car plates? If you can spend money on buying a plate just to stroke your ego, you can afford to contribute to mitigating some of your country's problems. The fewer positions your ego plate has, the more tax you pay. Just two positions? 10x road tax. Three positions: 5x road tax, and so on.
It could be an ego stroking thing in itself: have a short registration, show people you're really doing well, not just for yourself, but also for the country.
FR 0.In a country where 1in 5 people are at or below the poverty line, how about taxing ego car plates? If you can spend money on buying a plate just to stroke your ego, you can afford to contribute to mitigating some of your country's problems. The fewer positions your ego plate has, the more tax you pay. Just two positions? 10x road tax. Three positions: 5x road tax, and so on.
It could be an ego stroking thing in itself: have a short registration, show people you're really doing well, not just for yourself, but also for the country.
Fermit said:
Nish Gnackers said:
"AU" was a Nottinghamshire registration suffix back in the day ... along with TO VO TV AL NN and RR
Along with RA RB RCI had RRA 25X on my then new Escort XR3 in 1980 which was sold by Hooleys in Nottingham.
Edited by Nish Gnackers on Tuesday 21st November 14:34
tr3a said:
Terminator X said:
Perhaps if you'd worked harder at school ...
I did quite well at school, thank you very much. So well in fact that I could afford to fill my garage with nice classic cars and never had to finance a new car in my life.Perhaps if you'd done better at life, you wouldn't immediately presume those who advocate for a lower Gini coefficient are all lazy scroungers.
TX.
Numeric said:
we must also not forget that people with higher incomes already pay more tax in everything from direct to indirect taxes, its the lower incomes that don't pay much.
'more' and 'not much' by what measure?for a given fraction of the population the ratio of total tax paid should be at least the ratio of total wealth owned.
If say 10% of the population owns 70% of all wealth, that same 10 percent should be paying 70% of total personal taxes.
I am not sure that holds up, not even in the UK, let alone US.
Julian Scott said:
Jon_S_Rally said:
Imagine getting cross about the price of a number plate. What a world we live in.
One quick look at the attendees of any socialist/left-wing/Labour Party event will show that 'cross' is the default position. The only happiness in their lives appears to be the free lunches.Interestingly, the Institute for Fiscal Studies has found (based on HMRC's own data) the Top 1% highest earners in the UK receive around 12% of the UK's income yet pay 27% of the UK's entire income tax bill, whilst 43% of all adults living in the UK pay no tax at all.
Even the IFS admits this share is 'significant' yet Lefties want them to pay even more... jealousy and lunacy to me! This is why attitudes displayed from the OP get so much pushback IMO.
I get the appeal of a personalised plate but I've never understood why a market for them started in the first place.
I've lived in various countries over the years but as far as I'm aware the UK is the only one where so much value is attached to a registration plate. In other places it's just a case of going to the DVLA equivalent, checking your desired combination is available and then paying a flat fee.
I've lived in various countries over the years but as far as I'm aware the UK is the only one where so much value is attached to a registration plate. In other places it's just a case of going to the DVLA equivalent, checking your desired combination is available and then paying a flat fee.
blueovercream said:
I get the appeal of a personalised plate but I've never understood why a market for them started in the first place.
I've lived in various countries over the years but as far as I'm aware the UK is the only one where so much value is attached to a registration plate. In other places it's just a case of going to the DVLA equivalent, checking your desired combination is available and then paying a flat fee.
It’s precisely because you can’t do what you describe that a market exists. I've lived in various countries over the years but as far as I'm aware the UK is the only one where so much value is attached to a registration plate. In other places it's just a case of going to the DVLA equivalent, checking your desired combination is available and then paying a flat fee.
tr3a said:
Here's an idea.
In a country where 1in 5 people are at or below the poverty line, how about taxing ego car plates? If you can spend money on buying a plate just to stroke your ego, you can afford to contribute to mitigating some of your country's problems. The fewer positions your ego plate has, the more tax you pay. Just two positions? 10x road tax. Three positions: 5x road tax, and so on.
It could be an ego stroking thing in itself: have a short registration, show people you're really doing well, not just for yourself, but also for the country.
Poverty cannot be solved through taxation, but only through economic growth. In a country where 1in 5 people are at or below the poverty line, how about taxing ego car plates? If you can spend money on buying a plate just to stroke your ego, you can afford to contribute to mitigating some of your country's problems. The fewer positions your ego plate has, the more tax you pay. Just two positions? 10x road tax. Three positions: 5x road tax, and so on.
It could be an ego stroking thing in itself: have a short registration, show people you're really doing well, not just for yourself, but also for the country.
Julian Scott said:
srob said:
Jon_S_Rally said:
Imagine getting cross about the price of a number plate. What a world we live in.
I don't get cross at the price, but I don't like plates being taken off old vehicles. I bought a 1931 motorbike a couple of years ago. It has its original number plate which meant that I've been able to trace the full history of the bike back to the supplying dealer new. And I'm now in touch with a bloke who's dad used it daily in the 1950s. None of that would be possible had the plate been robbed off it.
Personally I'd like to see plates locked to vehicles for life and written off it the vehicle is scrapped.
Most come from cars that don't exist anymore. If they do, it is because the rightful and legal owner chose to do so.
Not sure why you would want old plates to be written off, other than adopting a grumpy, miserable 'love-child of Scrooge and Victor Meldrew' position.
If a plate isn't scrapped with the car/bike then the car/bike would be scrapped to get the plate off. Which is even worse! Nothing to do with being a scrooge, just being someone who's really interested in historic vehicles and tracing the history of those I own.
tr3a said:
Here's an idea.
In a country where 1in 5 people are at or below the poverty line, how about taxing ego car plates? If you can spend money on buying a plate just to stroke your ego, you can afford to contribute to mitigating some of your country's problems. The fewer positions your ego plate has, the more tax you pay. Just two positions? 10x road tax. Three positions: 5x road tax, and so on.
It could be an ego stroking thing in itself: have a short registration, show people you're really doing well, not just for yourself, but also for the country.
I too am of a "make sure the wealthy and the corporations pay the tax they should be" persuasion, a "non-PAYE types who take cash in hand and don't declare it or otherwise fudge their accounts can sod off" persuasion and also a "don't scrap stamp duty, developers will just increase the price of houses and treat it as extra profit at zero benefit to the rest of the country" persuasion.In a country where 1in 5 people are at or below the poverty line, how about taxing ego car plates? If you can spend money on buying a plate just to stroke your ego, you can afford to contribute to mitigating some of your country's problems. The fewer positions your ego plate has, the more tax you pay. Just two positions? 10x road tax. Three positions: 5x road tax, and so on.
It could be an ego stroking thing in itself: have a short registration, show people you're really doing well, not just for yourself, but also for the country.
However, when I bought a personalised number plate (how bourgeois/tacky of me) I paid VAT - I don't recall whether it was full whack or not, but assuming it is the full 20% then the buyer of AU 1 will be paying £60k on top of the £300k. So... errr... They already WILL be paying much more than 5x their road tax, admittedly just on the purchase and not as an ongoing thing.
donkmeister said:
tr3a said:
Here's an idea.
In a country where 1in 5 people are at or below the poverty line, how about taxing ego car plates? If you can spend money on buying a plate just to stroke your ego, you can afford to contribute to mitigating some of your country's problems. The fewer positions your ego plate has, the more tax you pay. Just two positions? 10x road tax. Three positions: 5x road tax, and so on.
It could be an ego stroking thing in itself: have a short registration, show people you're really doing well, not just for yourself, but also for the country.
I too am of a "make sure the wealthy and the corporations pay the tax they should be" persuasion, a "non-PAYE types who take cash in hand and don't declare it or otherwise fudge their accounts can sod off" persuasion and also a "don't scrap stamp duty, developers will just increase the price of houses and treat it as extra profit at zero benefit to the rest of the country" persuasion.In a country where 1in 5 people are at or below the poverty line, how about taxing ego car plates? If you can spend money on buying a plate just to stroke your ego, you can afford to contribute to mitigating some of your country's problems. The fewer positions your ego plate has, the more tax you pay. Just two positions? 10x road tax. Three positions: 5x road tax, and so on.
It could be an ego stroking thing in itself: have a short registration, show people you're really doing well, not just for yourself, but also for the country.
However, when I bought a personalised number plate (how bourgeois/tacky of me) I paid VAT - I don't recall whether it was full whack or not, but assuming it is the full 20% then the buyer of AU 1 will be paying £60k on top of the £300k. So... errr... They already WILL be paying much more than 5x their road tax, admittedly just on the purchase and not as an ongoing thing.
Amanitin said:
Numeric said:
we must also not forget that people with higher incomes already pay more tax in everything from direct to indirect taxes, its the lower incomes that don't pay much.
'more' and 'not much' by what measure?for a given fraction of the population the ratio of total tax paid should be at least the ratio of total wealth owned.
If say 10% of the population owns 70% of all wealth, that same 10 percent should be paying 70% of total personal taxes.
I am not sure that holds up, not even in the UK, let alone US.
In income terms the ratio is quite clear - for 2019-20 tax receipts as per the House of Commons library income tax receipts
Top 1% of earners = 29% of tax
90-99% = 31.3%
50-90% = 30.2%
Bottom 50% = 9.5%
I have previously seen stats on indirect taxes where the spend of higher earning groups means they are paying more VAT etc. but that's hardly rocket science.
A wealth tax is interesting. There is already a wealth tax in the case of Death Duties. When it was only paid by 'the filthy rich' everyone thought it a great idea - once they found their parents house in Richmond became susceptible to it? Suddenly a terrible idea!
Death duties are also an area where the Laffer curve (thanks Julian for the name) surely is most evident - tax lawyers earn a lot of money in helping people avid them. A wealth tax (effectively the same argument as against death duties - that the income to acquire the asset will possibly have been taxed once before) will likely make those lawyers even wealthier.
That's the thing about tax - I have genuinely had people who are self employed and sliding everything off against tax through VAT etc. Or people with salary sacrifice or electric company cars bemoan the fact the 'rich' (so long as no one says they are the rich) avoid tax despite being in my view really quite rich themselves.
Edited by Numeric on Tuesday 21st November 17:12
Edited by Numeric on Tuesday 21st November 17:14
A fantastic number with fabulous history.
The two letter number one plates are the ultimate and tend to sell well into six figures
The initials on this one aren’t the most popular but the history of it and chemical element have it being very desirable
The gold company that have B1 on their gold smart car near Berkeley square would be a good buyer if have thought
The two letter number one plates are the ultimate and tend to sell well into six figures
The initials on this one aren’t the most popular but the history of it and chemical element have it being very desirable
The gold company that have B1 on their gold smart car near Berkeley square would be a good buyer if have thought
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