RE: 2023 INEOS Grenadier | PH Review

RE: 2023 INEOS Grenadier | PH Review

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Lotobear

5,739 posts

123 months

Wednesday 18th October
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I see quite a lot of these in Cumbria - in fact just got back from a survey now and there was a 'duck egg blue' one leaving a local school - it looked rather good

There's a dealer in Carlisle and one in Gateshead (Aston Workshop) so perhaps that's why or maybe folk in the SE just like a bit more bling for the school run?

jeremy996

306 posts

221 months

Wednesday 18th October
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Silvanus said:
Maybe, but I'm looking in the places this vehicle was supposedly designed for. Either way, Ssangyong have sold more pickups this year than Ineos have sold Grenadiers.
My supplying dealer, Chandlers of Belton, has a SsangYong franchise and my courtesy car for my Grenadier service was a SsangYong Musso. I was so glad to get my Grenadier back, the Musso was willing enough but the ride was terrible. If you want a doublecab pickup, they are cheap; I'm struggling to think of another positive, although it seemed tightly assembled.

The other Grenadier owners I know are a mixed bunch; land agent, semi-retired gamekeeper, plant hire owner/manager, trauma surgeon; I'm an IFA with a rural client bank. None of us could be described as 'hipsters'; all of us owned at least one pre 2016 Defender and only one owned a current Defender, which was handed back at the end of the lease. His Grenadier was bought for cash and is even more basic than mine.

Silvanus

4,491 posts

18 months

Wednesday 18th October
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jeremy996 said:
Silvanus said:
Maybe, but I'm looking in the places this vehicle was supposedly designed for. Either way, Ssangyong have sold more pickups this year than Ineos have sold Grenadiers.
My supplying dealer, Chandlers of Belton, has a SsangYong franchise and my courtesy car for my Grenadier service was a SsangYong Musso. I was so glad to get my Grenadier back, the Musso was willing enough but the ride was terrible. If you want a doublecab pickup, they are cheap; I'm struggling to think of another positive, although it seemed tightly assembled.

The other Grenadier owners I know are a mixed bunch; land agent, semi-retired gamekeeper, plant hire owner/manager, trauma surgeon; I'm an IFA with a rural client bank. None of us could be described as 'hipsters'; all of us owned at least one pre 2016 Defender and only one owned a current Defender, which was handed back at the end of the lease. His Grenadier was bought for cash and is even more basic than mine.
I guess cheap, well built and reliable will be enough for many of the customers. Although a poor ride is a big criticism of many pickups, certainly the ones I've driven.


blearyeyedboy

6,151 posts

174 months

Wednesday 18th October
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Out of interest, are there other countries where Grenadier sales are doing particularly well?

Are Ineos buying their own vehicles for e.g. transport within sites they own?

NomduJour

18,183 posts

254 months

Wednesday 18th October
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You’d hope so, or there’ll be a lot of people twiddling their thumbs in that big factory.

thiscocks

3,103 posts

190 months

Wednesday 18th October
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I like the dash and particularly the center and overhead console switches and layout. Let down by the BMW gear selector and ugly steering wheel. Best part of 3 tonnes is also pretty impressive, not in a good way.

Lester H

2,594 posts

100 months

Wednesday 18th October
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Lotobear said:
I see quite a lot of these in Cumbria - in fact just got back from a survey now and there was a 'duck egg blue' one leaving a local school - it looked rather good

There's a dealer in Carlisle and one in Gateshead (Aston Workshop) so perhaps that's why or maybe folk in the SE just like a bit more bling for the school run?
Some around in the Ribble Valley and imho looking good…not in a superficial cosmetic sense, as you suggest with the school run comment, they just look rugged and purposeful. If you examine the chassis it looks like industrial strength!

Trustmeimadoctor

11,951 posts

150 months

Wednesday 18th October
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Spotted one next to a GR Yaris both looked good

sisu

2,465 posts

168 months

Thursday 19th October
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blearyeyedboy said:
Out of interest, are there other countries where Grenadier sales are doing particularly well?

Are Ineos buying their own vehicles for e.g. transport within sites they own?
They have a similar picture as the UK, on Autoscout that covers the whole of Europe, 90 of the 94 Grenadiers have under 500km on the clock and a very large proportion are what you would call "delivery mileage".
2024 is going to be a challenging sales period as you have alot of choice available for a car sitting on someone's lot over the next 6 months, who would be open to negotiation instead of ordering your own.

They have started selling them in Australia and NZ, but as pointed out by the youtube review they are a bit out classed by the competition. You are aiming at a very Anglophile buyer. As they don't comply with any of the fleet safety rules so are aiming at just a recreational buyer.

South Africa has just opened 3 days ago who have a strong BMW following. But also the same challenges as Aussie they still sell a Toyota Land cruiser, Nissan Patrol and other American 4x4s.
I don't know what is happening with the Habbibi's in the middle East but they are not looking for ye olde Landis.

I think they are going to have a Lotus in America type of sales, an outsider in Finance options. Those who want one, buys the flavour they want. But after that its single digets per month as the ability to have a red chassis with a Black cab is not a good used market vehicle. Look at SUVs with a "one off" interior or colours to understand truly epic levels of depreciation.



Snow and Rocks

1,439 posts

22 months

Thursday 19th October
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sisu said:
truly epic levels of depreciation.
Hopefully, as my other half seems to have her heart set on one. The existence of an epically depreciated 3 year old one with a good couple of years of unlimited mileage warranty remaining would be helpful!

braddo

9,968 posts

183 months

Thursday 19th October
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sisu said:
... a red chassis with a Black cab...
The Christian Louboutin look. How very utilitarian.

sisu

2,465 posts

168 months

Thursday 19th October
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Snow and Rocks said:
sisu said:
truly epic levels of depreciation.
Hopefully, as my other half seems to have her heart set on one. The existence of an epically depreciated 3 year old one with a good couple of years of unlimited mileage warranty remaining would be helpful!
I hope you do, I would find out the colour combo the boss wants and then search out one that someone has traded in. If these are not selling like used 911's then a traded in INEOS will be a hard shift if it has 20,000 miles on the clock.

Lester H

2,594 posts

100 months

Thursday 19th October
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braddo said:
sisu said:
... a red chassis with a Black cab...
The Christian Louboutin look. How very utilitarian.
The couple in the gastro pub this evening ( Anthracite Grenadier outside, not new but totally immaculate) were not Louboutin. He was vaguely ‘outdoorsy’ ie posh jeans, Clark’s Gortex small boots, non logo type wool sweater; she, a white sweater and a smart longish skirt.Not at all ‘designer’.

Lester H

2,594 posts

100 months

Sunday 22nd October
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LooneyTunes said:


Love the cohesive styling.
Result of the ‘bought in’ gearbox. Handbrake could easily be finished to resemble the tough, trad look gear ratio selector.

DonkeyApple

53,124 posts

164 months

Sunday 22nd October
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Lester H said:
LooneyTunes said:


Love the cohesive styling.
Result of the ‘bought in’ gearbox. Handbrake could easily be finished to resemble the tough, trad look gear ratio selector.
It is quite an interesting set up. A diff lever from a sex shop, a gear lever from a mobility shop and a handbrake lever from a cigar shop.

It's like a group of old men sat in a pub and jotted down the things old men like them liked. And one had bought his son along who chimed in that roof switches like you see in Vietnam films or Top Gun were cool. Meanwhile, the chap who'd been on the Stella instead of the London Pride kept banging on about 80s car interior plastics so much they put that on the list just to get him to shut up for five minutes. And the old tramp in the corner was shouting about cyclist scum which gave them the idea of a red button on the steering wheel to instruct those terrible people to get out of the way.

It's all a bit of a dog's dinner but that doesn't mean it's a bad thing, especially for this sort of quirky fun purchase. It's eccentric, non generic and adds character which over time helps form that bedrock of consumer support. If we consider most of the old cars that we love it tends to be their flaws that make them so perfect.

Snow and Rocks

1,439 posts

22 months

Thursday 2nd November
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Part 2 of the Australian off road comparison group test is up now - downhill this time, testing the low range engine braking. (test starts at 5:30).

https://youtu.be/z9TiHeTf0qg?si=o5EBqMejmQToVN8c

The Grenadier takes it this time by being by far the slowest and most controlled of the four down the hill, the Land Cruiser second, the Defender third and the (petrol) Patrol last.

sisu

2,465 posts

168 months

Thursday 2nd November
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This 9000km aussie bloke seems to give some owner perspective.
Basically there is no storage inside the 4x4 other than the arm rest. No electrical outlets or ability to add more.
The reverse camera screen is poor.
There is no manual or wiring diagram.
Towing and electrics are thru a NATO plug and this is on the same circuit as the winch, so if you have a caravan that has a fridge its a mess.

Snow and Rocks

1,439 posts

22 months

Thursday 2nd November
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sisu said:
This 9000km aussie bloke seems to give some owner perspective.
Basically there is no storage inside the 4x4 other than the arm rest. No electrical outlets or ability to add more.
The reverse camera screen is poor.
There is no manual or wiring diagram.
Towing and electrics are thru a NATO plug and this is on the same circuit as the winch, so if you have a caravan that has a fridge its a mess.
I haven't watched the video yet (internet in darkest Aberdeenshire is down so on slow mobile connection) but did he have anything positive to say about it at all?

MightyBadger

1,381 posts

45 months

Thursday 2nd November
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Corrosion on Chinese made side steps after 5k.

He does seem to love it despite all its issues.

Lefty

15,813 posts

197 months

Friday 3rd November
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Snow and Rocks said:
sisu said:
This 9000km aussie bloke seems to give some owner perspective.
Basically there is no storage inside the 4x4 other than the arm rest. No electrical outlets or ability to add more.
The reverse camera screen is poor.
There is no manual or wiring diagram.
Towing and electrics are thru a NATO plug and this is on the same circuit as the winch, so if you have a caravan that has a fridge its a mess.
I haven't watched the video yet (internet in darkest Aberdeenshire is down so on slow mobile connection) but did he have anything positive to say about it at all?
Yeah he loves it!