RE: 2023 INEOS Grenadier | PH Review
Discussion
drpep said:
I like it but the brexiteer whiff is strong. I’d rather support Land Rover who actively contribute to the betterment of the UK, regardless of ownership.
I rescind the above if Grenadier are UK tax registered but I won’t hold my breath. Not in my driveway.
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Cite: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Rover
Precisely. Wouldn’t touch it.I rescind the above if Grenadier are UK tax registered but I won’t hold my breath. Not in my driveway.
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Cite: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Rover
g3org3y said:
easytiger123 said:
It really doesn't matter that it is far from perfect in some regards. In a perverse way that's part of its attraction. It will sell in bucketloads.
Who will be buying this?Original Defender enthusiasts?
New Defender enthusiasts?
'One life live it' enthusiasts?
Genuine Q as I don't know what the market is like.
k about the negatives. Can't wait to take delivery. My only slight reservation is the lack of any substantial dealer and service network in and around London. Does it come with the option of having a 50 calibre machine gun on the roof?
I bet the next time i drive through Chelsea i will see loads of these, as those curbs are big....
What a waste of engineering talent that is....
That will be bought by x royal airforce boys and girls as that cockpit looks like a planes...
This would be good in a zombie apocalypse though....
just such a joke of a vehicle
I bet the next time i drive through Chelsea i will see loads of these, as those curbs are big....
What a waste of engineering talent that is....
That will be bought by x royal airforce boys and girls as that cockpit looks like a planes...
This would be good in a zombie apocalypse though....
just such a joke of a vehicle
skidskid said:
Pflanzgarten said:
Timely.
Was about to deposit on one today. Learnt last night that the advertised commercial N1 class it’s got doesn’t mean you can use it as a commercial.
Can’t claim VAT back, can’t use it as a BIK free commercial vehicle.
Surely this means the whole point of the vehicle is gone? A car sold one being a utility tool that doesn't have the key business and company car advantages. Was about to deposit on one today. Learnt last night that the advertised commercial N1 class it’s got doesn’t mean you can use it as a commercial.
Can’t claim VAT back, can’t use it as a BIK free commercial vehicle.
But to sell one as a commercial as they are doing?
It's nothing more than negotiating around the euro rules on emissions. Fine, who doesn't love someone getting around pointless rules?
But the sales teams are making out that business users can use one as they had done twin cab pick ups-it looks like you can't.
Plus in the UK as it's N1 class you need to do 50mph on country roads.
easytiger123 said:
g3org3y said:
easytiger123 said:
It really doesn't matter that it is far from perfect in some regards. In a perverse way that's part of its attraction. It will sell in bucketloads.
Who will be buying this?Original Defender enthusiasts?
New Defender enthusiasts?
'One life live it' enthusiasts?
Genuine Q as I don't know what the market is like.
k about the negatives. Can't wait to take delivery. My only slight reservation is the lack of any substantial dealer and service network in and around London. I quite like it but like others have said I prefer Land Rovers reimagining of the Defender.
For the more remote parts of the world where off road ability and durability and ruggedness are really important is this going to be a genuine alternative to the Landcruiser?, the 300 Series is a lot more modern inside while offering all the capability, it’s a shame Toyota don’t sell them in Europe.
For the more remote parts of the world where off road ability and durability and ruggedness are really important is this going to be a genuine alternative to the Landcruiser?, the 300 Series is a lot more modern inside while offering all the capability, it’s a shame Toyota don’t sell them in Europe.
GreatScott2016 said:
easytiger123 said:
g3org3y said:
easytiger123 said:
It really doesn't matter that it is far from perfect in some regards. In a perverse way that's part of its attraction. It will sell in bucketloads.
Who will be buying this?Original Defender enthusiasts?
New Defender enthusiasts?
'One life live it' enthusiasts?
Genuine Q as I don't know what the market is like.
k about the negatives. Can't wait to take delivery. My only slight reservation is the lack of any substantial dealer and service network in and around London. 
I was on Safari for the first time last year and it was a true eye opener as to what an original Defender can really do. They got that thing into, over and out of stuff I couldn’t believe, with 8 people riding on top. Our guide had recently been on an introduction to the new Defender and was seriously impressed with its off road ability. Made me feel better about my still delayed order, although of course I will never use a fraction of that ability.
Interestingly he had also just been to an introduction of the Grenadier which they had organized to pitch it to the Safari operators. He pointed out that mounting all those controls on the roof made the Safari conversation much more difficult and that it was unlikely to be used for that reason. Now I’m sure the Safari market isn’t a huge one in itself but it does play a big role in giving credibility to such a vehicle.
This still feels like a massive vanity project to me without real thought as to what actual users of such a rugged vehicle might want; low entry price, a flexible platform and easy to fix being high on that list.
Interestingly he had also just been to an introduction of the Grenadier which they had organized to pitch it to the Safari operators. He pointed out that mounting all those controls on the roof made the Safari conversation much more difficult and that it was unlikely to be used for that reason. Now I’m sure the Safari market isn’t a huge one in itself but it does play a big role in giving credibility to such a vehicle.
This still feels like a massive vanity project to me without real thought as to what actual users of such a rugged vehicle might want; low entry price, a flexible platform and easy to fix being high on that list.
yme402 said:
Thought the whole point of this was to step into the void left by Land Rover for a relatively affordable working vehicle. At £70K this vehicle has no point to it whatsoever.
A top spec pick up truck is now over £40k+VAT (yes you can get cheaper), if this was a true commercial vehicle I spec'd mine to about £52k+VAT and it was a very lovely thing.I'd say this was easily worth £10k more than a twin cab pick up, even the nicest ones having sat in and poked around one.
It's another one of those cars that you can't tell how nice it is until you see one.
I really can’t make up my mind on this one.
On one hand it’s fantastic. A G class rival at 1/2 price and built by the same company/people at Magna Steyer. Unstoppable off road and passable on tarmac. For some people that makes it perfect.
On the other hand I see more G classes on the manicured driveways of Cheshire than I see in muddy fields or war zones. They are bought for image and not their abilities. Combine the lack of Grenadier image in the mainstream imagination, with the lack of Toyota landcruiser reliability (image) and the Brexiteer image and I can’t see any reason to buy one in the U.K. maybe abroad where the price makes it competitive and the Brexiteer thing is not known about and the RHD gearbox packaging isn’t an issue they may sell more.
Got to laugh at the RHD packaging problem on a brexit flag waving project though haven’t you. Maybe sir Jim spends so much time in Monaco or on his yacht that he forgot to tell the Austrians who build it, which side of the road we drive on in little Britain.
On one hand it’s fantastic. A G class rival at 1/2 price and built by the same company/people at Magna Steyer. Unstoppable off road and passable on tarmac. For some people that makes it perfect.
On the other hand I see more G classes on the manicured driveways of Cheshire than I see in muddy fields or war zones. They are bought for image and not their abilities. Combine the lack of Grenadier image in the mainstream imagination, with the lack of Toyota landcruiser reliability (image) and the Brexiteer image and I can’t see any reason to buy one in the U.K. maybe abroad where the price makes it competitive and the Brexiteer thing is not known about and the RHD gearbox packaging isn’t an issue they may sell more.
Got to laugh at the RHD packaging problem on a brexit flag waving project though haven’t you. Maybe sir Jim spends so much time in Monaco or on his yacht that he forgot to tell the Austrians who build it, which side of the road we drive on in little Britain.
Edited by ducnick on Wednesday 8th February 08:13
drpep said:
I like it but the brexiteer whiff is strong. I’d rather support Land Rover who actively contribute to the betterment of the UK, regardless of ownership.
I rescind the above if Grenadier are UK tax registered but I won’t hold my breath. Not in my driveway.
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Cite: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Rover
Grenadier is the model, not the company, but I don't quite think you understand the irony in bemoaning Brexit but insiting on, to be honest i don't know hat you're insisting on as it makes no sense (and would rather limit your future car buying options)I rescind the above if Grenadier are UK tax registered but I won’t hold my breath. Not in my driveway.
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Cite: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Rover
Edited by Andy83n on Wednesday 8th February 08:09
ducnick said:
Got to laugh at the RHD packaging problem on a brexit flag waving project though haven’t you. Maybe sir Jim spends so much time in Monaco or on his yacht that he forgot to tell the Austrians who build it, which side of the road we drive on in little Britain.
It's simply down to the exhaust position on the BMW engine.I wish them every success, don't like to see anyone fail.
I'm not even close to being a target customer for these people so my comments will be irrelevant but for me the styling doesn't work. The defender which served as inspiration had a rugged good look about it, very in proportion. This missed the mark. The Bonnet doesn't work and the rear lights look a bit "max power".
I like the dash though.
I'm not even close to being a target customer for these people so my comments will be irrelevant but for me the styling doesn't work. The defender which served as inspiration had a rugged good look about it, very in proportion. This missed the mark. The Bonnet doesn't work and the rear lights look a bit "max power".
I like the dash though.
Not sure what all this Brexiteer angst is about. When asked a majority of folk actually were... plus the typical Greandier customer is likely to be an over 35 male with either a petrolhead or practical bent NOT some public sector university lecturing female or twenty something soiboi.
Therefore Net I'd think Jim Radcliffe's pro Brexit opinion is a positive for sales. Certainly is for me.
I can see this selling well enough to NGO's, government agencies, utility companies and the like, I can see it selling well for the well healed that but Twisted Landrovers, OverFinches or G-Wagons.
I think the aviation style switchgear is fantastic and a rather excellent USP but then I was madly excited when I finally got to fly aircraft with switches in the roof thirty years ago in the first place.
If they could land some decent size sales to military users the volumes could easily end up justifying the development costs. There's tens of thousands of Defenders in military use around the world and they ain't going to get replaced by G-wagons....
Therefore Net I'd think Jim Radcliffe's pro Brexit opinion is a positive for sales. Certainly is for me.
I can see this selling well enough to NGO's, government agencies, utility companies and the like, I can see it selling well for the well healed that but Twisted Landrovers, OverFinches or G-Wagons.
I think the aviation style switchgear is fantastic and a rather excellent USP but then I was madly excited when I finally got to fly aircraft with switches in the roof thirty years ago in the first place.
If they could land some decent size sales to military users the volumes could easily end up justifying the development costs. There's tens of thousands of Defenders in military use around the world and they ain't going to get replaced by G-wagons....
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