RE: 2023 INEOS Grenadier | PH Review
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sisu said:
This 9000km aussie bloke seems to give some owner perspective.
Basically there is no storage inside the 4x4 other than the arm rest. No electrical outlets or ability to add more.
The reverse camera screen is poor.
There is no manual or wiring diagram.
Towing and electrics are thru a NATO plug and this is on the same circuit as the winch, so if you have a caravan that has a fridge its a mess.
Some small detail issues:-Basically there is no storage inside the 4x4 other than the arm rest. No electrical outlets or ability to add more.
The reverse camera screen is poor.
There is no manual or wiring diagram.
Towing and electrics are thru a NATO plug and this is on the same circuit as the winch, so if you have a caravan that has a fridge its a mess.
There's a small glove box, 2 door pockets and the arm rest, (so long as your ordered it). Storage is a little lacking, but should you really have that much junk around you anyway? The hardback customer manual takes up quite a bit of the glovebox, if you carry it.
There are electrical outlets in the centre cubby but none in or under the dash as standard. There are pre-wired tails to the roof switches in the base of the A pillars and under the bonnet, so putting outlets in the footwell or at the top of the dash is not a big deal. My aftermarket dashcam is actually piggy-backed into one of the fuse boards and will run in parking mode with the roof PWR switch thrown.
The reverse camera screen is OK but only takes up part of the touch screen. Most whingers seem to want it to fill the entire screen.
There is a customer manual, it is not great, https://ineosautomotive.stylelabs.cloud/api/public... The service manual is not yet available to the public unless you can get your local dealer to print bits out. A wider access regime is due Qtr1 2024.
The UK/Europe/Australian tow gear uses a 13 pin Euro socket, but not all pins are wired, so there is not a permanent live to the rear as standard. There is a 400A NATO plug at the rear which could be repurposed to add a live to a caravan, currently wired through the winch circuit. It would not be a big deal to add a live to the 13 pin socket.
Are you thinking about one?
Shame there’s no dealer up here, I’m going to pop in to grange next time I’m down in Edinburgh.
I had paid a deposit on one but when I discovered it’s not a commercial vehicle in the eye of HMRC for BIK backed out. I still really want one so am figuring out best way to buy one personally rather than through my company. Might be lending myself the money.
Not many of the spec I’d like around though. Don’t really mind petrol or diesel but I’d want 5 seat station wagon, cloth, no carpet, diff locks, safari windows, steel wheels in grey or black.
Shame there’s no dealer up here, I’m going to pop in to grange next time I’m down in Edinburgh.
I had paid a deposit on one but when I discovered it’s not a commercial vehicle in the eye of HMRC for BIK backed out. I still really want one so am figuring out best way to buy one personally rather than through my company. Might be lending myself the money.
Not many of the spec I’d like around though. Don’t really mind petrol or diesel but I’d want 5 seat station wagon, cloth, no carpet, diff locks, safari windows, steel wheels in grey or black.
jeremy996 said:
There's a small glove box, 2 door pockets and the arm rest, (so long as your ordered it). Storage is a little lacking, but should you really have that much junk around you anyway? The hardback customer manual takes up quite a bit of the glovebox, if you carry it
So where does the Grenadier pilot store the zip-offs from his tactical convertible combat trousers? Lefty said:
Are you thinking about one?
Shame there’s no dealer up here, I’m going to pop in to grange next time I’m down in Edinburgh.
I had paid a deposit on one but when I discovered it’s not a commercial vehicle in the eye of HMRC for BIK backed out. I still really want one so am figuring out best way to buy one personally rather than through my company. Might be lending myself the money.
Not many of the spec I’d like around though. Don’t really mind petrol or diesel but I’d want 5 seat station wagon, cloth, no carpet, diff locks, safari windows, steel wheels in grey or black.
Not for me I don't think - I suspect I'll replace my working Hilux with either the new Land Cruiser "Prado" or with the best 200 series I can find. A base spec 300 series is actually quite reasonably priced in Australia but import is probably too much hassle. Shame there’s no dealer up here, I’m going to pop in to grange next time I’m down in Edinburgh.
I had paid a deposit on one but when I discovered it’s not a commercial vehicle in the eye of HMRC for BIK backed out. I still really want one so am figuring out best way to buy one personally rather than through my company. Might be lending myself the money.
Not many of the spec I’d like around though. Don’t really mind petrol or diesel but I’d want 5 seat station wagon, cloth, no carpet, diff locks, safari windows, steel wheels in grey or black.
My other half however loves them and it would actually be pretty well suited to our usage if it proves reliable enough for sensible long term ownership.
Your spec sounds good. Ours would ideally be green on steels with the diff locks, cloth and probably the 5 seat utility wagon.
(Edited to add - let us know how you get on in Edinburgh, will likely do the same at some point)
Edited by Snow and Rocks on Friday 3rd November 13:21
Yeah my intent would be to buy one and keep it forever. From that point of view it might make sense to buy new but fk me the spec I want is £80k and no way to get vat back 
At the moment we have a Transit custom crew cab, a defender 90 and an L200 as our “practical” vehicles, all owned through a couple of companies. I’d like to replace all 3 with a Grenadier. Frustratingly the three current vehicles are probably worth £50k plus vat but not being able to run the grenadier as a company vehicle really screws that idea.
At the moment we have a Transit custom crew cab, a defender 90 and an L200 as our “practical” vehicles, all owned through a couple of companies. I’d like to replace all 3 with a Grenadier. Frustratingly the three current vehicles are probably worth £50k plus vat but not being able to run the grenadier as a company vehicle really screws that idea.
Edited by Lefty on Saturday 4th November 07:29
VIN numbers are over 9000 now so they’re selling reasonably well, UK not a huge market, probably down to the HMRC VAT/BIK issues I expect.
Over a year waiting list for a new one, I just placed a deposit on this:
Trialmaster diesel station wagon
Safari windows
Cloth, no carpets
Privacy glass
17” steelies
Rear storage box thing
300 miles
Can’t wait!
Job 1: remove steps
Job 2: fit cargo barrier
The only thing is have done differently when speccing my own one would have been red chassis but that’s not worth the 12k saving and 12 month wait. I might have got the saddle leather pack too. I really wanted steels and no carpet but safari windows and lockers were deal breakers. Leather or cloth not really an issue as I’ll be putting seat covers on. Actually even diesel or petrol wouldn’t really have bothered me.
I might fit a roof rack at some point. Want to be able to open the safari windows though.
Over a year waiting list for a new one, I just placed a deposit on this:
Trialmaster diesel station wagon
Safari windows
Cloth, no carpets
Privacy glass
17” steelies
Rear storage box thing
300 miles
Can’t wait!
Job 1: remove steps
Job 2: fit cargo barrier
The only thing is have done differently when speccing my own one would have been red chassis but that’s not worth the 12k saving and 12 month wait. I might have got the saddle leather pack too. I really wanted steels and no carpet but safari windows and lockers were deal breakers. Leather or cloth not really an issue as I’ll be putting seat covers on. Actually even diesel or petrol wouldn’t really have bothered me.
I might fit a roof rack at some point. Want to be able to open the safari windows though.
Edited by Lefty on Saturday 18th November 14:02
Thanks.
No it came from the dealer in Portsmouth - only place I could find one in spec I wanted.
I was speaking to a chap in huntly at the weekend who kindly let me have a look around his and a short passenger ride and that convinced me.
No it came from the dealer in Portsmouth - only place I could find one in spec I wanted.
I was speaking to a chap in huntly at the weekend who kindly let me have a look around his and a short passenger ride and that convinced me.
Edited by Lefty on Saturday 18th November 14:02
Pflanzgarten said:
Seems to be plenty about at £50k inc VAT now.
I've noticed one or two on AT now. The number for sale seems to have steadied at just under 100. What seems quite interesting is the number with just a few miles that appear to equate to the distance from the ferry terminal to the vendor. I'd guess most of those are cars people hoped to just stag. The Grenadier does appear to be the random car that just happened to have a delivery date on the wrong side of that bubble?
Lefty said:
VIN numbers are over 9000 now so they’re selling reasonably well, UK not a huge market, probably down to the HMRC VAT/BIK issues I expect.
Bearing in mind it's now been in production for 16 months, that's not great. Even the old Defender was consistently selling 15-25k units annually in its last decade of production, and that was a level that was deemed uneconomical to justify the capital investment costs of a like-for-like replacement.
Fair enough if Ratcliffe wanted to do this for his own amusement, but there's no way he'll ever turn a profit from it.
Lefty said:
No idea. I think I read somewhere they were aiming for 5k a year production minimum.
Production is not a market.They may have built/assigned 9000 VINs. Does not mean they have sold them to end users. 1000s could be sitting at the (large) factory in the South of France and in dealers.
What is interesting and relevant is where the other 8,000 cars are now. Because they aren't with UK end users. And my personal opinion is that the idea that the Grenadier will sell in large quantities outside the UK is a fantasy.
Lets see the sales figures to know where these cars actually are.
sosidge said:
Lefty said:
No idea. I think I read somewhere they were aiming for 5k a year production minimum.
Production is not a market.They may have built/assigned 9000 VINs. Does not mean they have sold them to end users. 1000s could be sitting at the (large) factory in the South of France and in dealers.
What is interesting and relevant is where the other 8,000 cars are now. Because they aren't with UK end users. And my personal opinion is that the idea that the Grenadier will sell in large quantities outside the UK is a fantasy.
Lets see the sales figures to know where these cars actually are.
Toyota have stopped taking orders for the new 70 series land cruise in Australia because they can’t keep up, these are the customers Ineos have to tempt. These are people for whom the reliability worries of a Land Rover product are a deal breaker and the independent suspension of most other large 4x4’s aren’t what they want either.
Biggest complaint from Australian buyers (or potential buyers) seems to be range, I wonder how long until somebody enterprising makes a long range tank for it.
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